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Would You Abort A Gay Baby?

Homosexuality, gayness, abortion, Trisomy 18 and the question the candidate was asked in New Hampshire.

A New Hampshire resident asked a very conservative candidate . I did not hear the answer, but knowing his double-barrelled views on choice and homosexuals, I truly hope this question keeps him up nights for the rest of his life.

Full disclosure. I am pro-choice. I support LGBT equal rights. I am a mother. From a very early age, when my first child was born, I intuitively knew the baby could be a gay boy or girl. Sort of a for me. It also didn't bother me.  

I was rooting for a girl, got a girl, and was very happy about. I never spent a second worrying about anything but her health and growth and if she had signalled being gay as she grew older - then that would have been fine. Some years later, I had a boy. It was a problem pregnancy and all I wanted was a healthy child. I got one and again - never worried about gender feelings.

Times socially had changed by the time he was in his teens, and I asked him once straight-out how he felt about homosexuality, and he said it didn't matter to him. He knew that it was not a secret he need keep. I think I asked my daughter too, and she said she liked guys and that was it. My son and I became estranged long ago (his idea) and so there are many things about his young adult life I know nothing about. He may be gay or straight. Doesn't matter. I would simply love to see him again.

The point here is that there are - in my opinion -  four possibilities when you have a pregnancy. A boy, a girl, gay or straight. My only concern would be the difficulty gay children experience, and this is one reason I am so equal rights emphatic. No one wants his or her little kid bullied, and homophobic parents encourage homophobic kids.  

But the question asked of the candidate raised the question of aborting a pregnancy, because the fetus was gay. Homosexuality - in my opinion - is not a birth defect and is not something "treatable or fixable," because there is nothing to treat or fix.

Sadly, our brave new world is far less different in terms of reproduction than WW2's German eugenics. We rephrase it and beautify the term, but in point of fact - genetic engineering and eugenics dwell in the same test tube - it is the motivations that differ, and perhaps it will come to pass that they overlap. I do not hope for that day to come soon. We are simply not evolved enough.

Should gayness be something an expectant parent can know - like gender, I can't answer that one. But I cannot envision making that a reason for any gratuitous choice.  A wanted, healthy baby is what you hope for, so you should love your child. The end. Oh and maybe vote for Obama - but that is a choice that is personal. Choose wisely.

I think the candidate was pushed between a rock and a hard place. I do not know if he knew his daughter had Trisomy 18 before she was born. He makes his stand quite firmly on the sin of abortion, but if this girl had been found to be a little, soft, sweet cooing girl whom he knew would be a lesbian - what would he have done? I doubt we will ever know. I doubt he does either.

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Chloe Ross February 04, 2012 at 12:08 AM
The premise sir, was if and when a time came that a person could know their baby would be a gay baby - and they were anti gay and pro-life - what would they do? Loving a gay child or person is not a porblem for me. It could be for others. FYI - I am pro-choice.
Chloe Ross February 04, 2012 at 12:10 AM
I think this is why some things need not be known and why choice is still the best road. Personally - I would not have an abortion for finding out my child was gay. But there are other situations in which I might. My choice.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 12:52 AM
I'm Pro-life. No baby should be abortion. There are many other options. Abortion is murder. We should all thank our mothers for being Pro-Life. Obama is Pro-Chioce. That makes him a baby killer.
Chloe Ross February 04, 2012 at 07:39 AM
You have a right to your opinion. I disagree. Mr. Obama is pro-choice and FYI, Brother, a pro-choice position is about choice - no one is forced to have an abortion. No one. That is not the point. An unwanted child suffers in ways that are worse than a medical [procedure] - being unwanted leads to physical and emotional abuse and a depletion of the spark that burns in each of us. You may call anyone you like pro-choice or pro-anti-choice - but on this thread - you may not refer to the POTUS as a murderer. It is slander if you say it and libel if you print unless you have proof it is the absolute truth. Your opinion and first amedment rights do not allow you to make false statements that besmirch the reputation of our people. It might be best if you did not contribute such things any longer.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 02:59 PM
I'll just contribute this. May God have mercy on your misguided soul.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 03:08 PM
I should add this Chloe, I'm gay. And yes I was bullied. Life is tough whether gay or straight. Thank God my mother was Pro-Life. There are many couples unable to have children yet we have these Pro-Choicers throwing babies in the trash. Its wrong, immoral and should be against the law.Does that baby get a choice???????? I attend Pro Life events. And I tell it like it is. Its killing babies.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 03:18 PM
By the way I just posted your response on many Catholic facebook groups. We all agree you are way off base. There are plenty of options over having a abortion. You don't need to repond. Its obvious you want everyone to agree with your way of thinking. And God bless you for it. I will pray you will rethink your offbase possition.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Chloe, I would love to see you post this blog in a gay blog. Because the topic is a disgrace. You are now suggesting that if a babies gay maybe it should be aborted. Are you kidding me? Now you Pro Choicers want to abort gay babies to save them from being bullied. Seriously you need to pull this blog out. Its just plain sick.Let save babies from this type of thinking.Oh my God!
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 04:20 PM
I believe this blog is extremely offensive to the gay community. Its has though Pro-Choice people only give birth to designer babies. All else should be aborted.
Wendy February 04, 2012 at 08:10 PM
That's very tolerant of you. Sounds like hate speech.
Wendy February 04, 2012 at 08:14 PM
funny how hateful everyone is on these post. the people who want to teach mandatory tolerance are very bitter I see.
Wendy February 04, 2012 at 10:31 PM
I was rethinking this story. 100 percent of the people here who are against aborting a gay baby are 100 percent for late term abortions even up to 9 months. I guess there are politically correct abortions that are better than others. Is this not a double standard? The gay or straight fetus feels the pain all the same when you rip off their arms and legs and shoot them in the back of the neck with a salt water solution and burns up their entire body turing it red.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 04, 2012 at 10:55 PM
What amazes me is how anyone who write a blog like this.What next, aborting babies for the color of the eyes or hair. Abortion clinic are sugarcoat kiiling fields.Its a crime and that's that.
Chloe Ross February 04, 2012 at 11:36 PM
I am the "someone" who wrote the blog. I just reread it and I I guess I didn't read the same blog. A. I did not advocate abortion. I am pro-choice. Choice means if you do not believe in abrotion DO NOT DO IT. I respect that choice. B. Any baby - who is born into a loving home - gay or straight - is a wonderful thing. Period. C. Instances where women have to make a hard decision are private and difficult. This is why choice exists. Sometimes the choice is necessary for one reason or another (which is the business of the woman and her doctor). Sometimes the choice is made for reasons that seems wrong to me - in some countries male babies are preferred and therefore female girls are either aborted or left to die or adopted out. I don't support this choice personally. I can't imagiine what a politically correct abortion would be? D. I don't support your percentage figures at all. They are misleading. And I also think it is private and personal Late abortions - as far as I know are not done up to nine months. Please show me the data you rely on for that statement.
Chloe Ross February 04, 2012 at 11:36 PM
As far as Br. Christopher Sale: You are - as a gay man - in violation (according to religious folks) of God's law as stated in Leviticus? I don't agree with God on that. I also wish you had some basic ability to communicate your thoughts because I am having trouble actually understanding what you are trying to berate me for writing. Wendy: You seem to know far too much about abortion for my taste. In general I have no esire for anyone to think as I do. I do support choice - but choice varies. Mandatory tolerance? No clue what that is. So answer this - since you both seem so het up and cannot understand what I wrote - what is your point?
Wendy February 05, 2012 at 12:00 AM
I am talking in generality. The people in general who are against Gay Abortion would also be for Regular abortion at any late term stage. I like to point out these type of things. It's perfectly great to have a woman's right to choose up until the last minute before birth but at the same time these people would be totally against Gay Abortion. What's the difference? If a person is against gay abortion they should be against abortion in general. A woman's right to choose supecedes any reason for aborting.
Wendy February 05, 2012 at 12:12 AM
I was trying to point out that people who are against aborting gay babies would be 110 percent for regular abortion in general up until 1 nano second until a full term baby gets slapped. The left would be against aborting a gay baby but more than happy to abort the rest of the infants.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 05, 2012 at 12:57 AM
Again I must educate you. In the Catholic church it is not a sin to be a homosexual. However the sexual ac is a sin. I have been celebate for many years. And sorry my dear, While I respect your opinion like the saying goes, "there's no crying in baseball" Well there's no choice in ending a babies life.Its a crime against humanity and there should be laws to protect that child. And for someone would write a blog like this must be homophobic. I personally think its offensive to the gay community. Try teaching other how to respect life maybe they would put an in to bigots. And as they say "Man up" Well woman up and give that child a chance.I have nothing but compassion for those of rape and incest. However deliever the baby and then make choices. As for children having children that comes from poor parenting. I have Aids so you can see why I promote abstinance.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 05, 2012 at 01:09 AM
Chloe, I recommend you go stand outside a abortion clinic. And see the sadness of grils going inside and then coming out. Maybe then you will find it in your heart to be Pro-Life. Believe I've been there. The feeling is overwheming when reality sets in and you vision what's going on inside. In Los Angeles on an average day 150 babies are aborted. That's a holocaust and blatant murder. Stand outside and see if you can bare knowing that babies are being thrown in the trash. You should be ashamed of yourself. And please don't respond, as I have zero tolerance for stupity.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 05, 2012 at 01:26 AM
When I posted your blog of a Catholic group I got this response from a priest. "The woman is obviously infected with Progressive Draconian Elitism." I couldn't agree more. Granted blogs are great for open debate. But there's no debating when it comes to people who are pro hatred. Maybe you should stick with a topic you actually understand. I'm in the Pro-Life movement and you are no match for me. Its very simple, you're wrong and I'm right. Trust me though my pro-life friends are praying for you to see the light. Evidently you aborted a child and now you want to justified it.
Wendy February 05, 2012 at 03:22 AM
A woman that has an abortion may stand to have a lifetime of agony. If the woman has a heart she will wonder what could have been. It may also be the last chance she ever had to bear a child and she will know that she blew it. Every year will come along which will be a birthday celebration of the fetus' death. I have seen these things. I saw a woman with a birthday cake to honor the fetus. A woman who has an abortion stands to face a lifetime of constant reminders and sleeplessness. A never ending nightmare. These are the things one finds out the hardway.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. February 05, 2012 at 03:44 AM
I agree Wendy. Problem is its either Chloe's way or the highway. She only knows how to attack those who oppose her. It reminds be of what Dr. Phil says about bullying. If you stand by a watch it you are no better the one doing the bullying. Samething with abortion, if a person promotes it they no better then the baby killer himself. There's no choice. If a woman is pregnant she has a moral responsible to protect that child. After you deliver the baby then you have all the choices you want. At least you'll be able to live with a clear conscience. I minister to many women who had abortions. They are seriously hurting..
Wendy February 05, 2012 at 04:21 AM
Actually a Gay fetus stands more chance to live under a conservative. It's a faulty question to ask Santorum running for office. The guy has his own misery trying to save the life of his own daughter. It's a rather crude question to ask Santorum who is in the photo considering the circumstances. A far flung liberal will terminate a pregnancy at the drop of a hat, so the premise that the left would care better for a gay fetus is absurd.
Chloe Ross May 18, 2012 at 06:25 PM
Months later I re-read this blog - and I am really disgusted - not so much by the religious man who posted but this Wendy person who sees all "far-flung liberals" lined up at OBGYN facilities to have "late term abortions a nanosecond before birth". Wendy - is that what you chose? Unless you have made this choice, you insult every woman who has. And I heartily disagree listening to the Conservative position on women's rights, gay rights - rights in general. The point I was making had little to do with your answers though. But I appreciate both of you taking the time to submit them.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. May 18, 2012 at 09:05 PM
Chloe, its shock and disgusting to think someone like you would even think about aborting a gay child. How sick is that. I actually did a story about your proposal and most people I talked to about this think you are a very bitter and hateful woman. I will pray for you, but just rememember, ITS MURDER! However knowing your a liberal sort of explains it all.
Chloe Ross May 18, 2012 at 10:17 PM
Clearly you cannot read. I did not advocate anything. (My own personal position is personal.) My blog was merely a question that I imagine may have to be considered in a future that will not be mine. I am sorry your "friends" hate me - but that is their choice. Someone like me is not alone in asking these very difficult and ethical questions. Simply because you find it disgusting doesn't mean it cannot be discussed. I would like to read your story sir. And FYI - I proposed NOTHING.
Br. Christopher Sale B.P.P. May 18, 2012 at 10:56 PM
I read it loud and clear. Its homophobic and its murder. I pray outside abortion clinic all the time as a Catholic. Young girls are having abortions because their afraid to tell their parents their pregnant. That's murder. I have notice that when someone disagrees with you you feel the need to bully them.You bullied me for being a Catholic brother and being gay. Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I live in that lifestyle. So far you've shown to be homophobic, anti Catholic and anti conservative. Please don't respond to this as I prefer to hear positive opinions. I did a response called Choosing Life.
Chloe Ross May 18, 2012 at 11:03 PM
This was my blog so perhaps you don't need to comment any longer. I am anything but homophobic. never have been, never will be. I also respect women who are entitled to choose their health concerns. I respect open minded humans who can read and think about what they have read. They wouldn't rave so much. You go and pray because that's what you are committed to doing. I respect that too. I don't agree - but I respect your faith and your gender identity. Respect mine and refrain from commenting further. Okay?
Aurthor Merlin May 13, 2013 at 12:36 AM
So if the baby is going to live a few hours from a deformity that make you a pro-child abuser right? If the baby is in pain?
Bob becksley March 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM
I'm not religious and I don't go to Church. most my friends think I'm a atheist. I don't see any problem with Aborting a gay babyI mean really who wants that in their life. I'm currently in pre med and while there might not be a gay gene you can certainly predict the sexual orientation of a fetus through secondary hormone levels Or certain brain structures in fact I think UCLA did a study showing MRI scans of homosexual males that they had brains like females I'm not aware of a similar study being done on homosexual females. but at any rate I believe that if anybody doesn't want to have a gay child and I should be able to abort it. if there is ever a screening for homosexuality available when I have a child I will be sure to get it but of course tO determine brain patterns you would have to wait tUntil the child was in the third trimester but fortunately that is legal and I don't see a problem with it as long as I don't have to have a gay child. my girlfriend and I have already had a few abortions I just don't have time for A child between my school iN this field.

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