PAC Supports Weho Term Limits Initiative

CA Term Limits PAC is deploying paid signature gatherers in West Hollywood to help ensure that residents can vote on City Council term limits in March 2012.

The following is a press release from CA Term Limits PAC.

Last month a group of grassroots activists and community activists in the city of West Hollywood filed an initiative to place the issue of term limits for their City Council on the March ballot in 2013. This initiative would limit Council Members to three four-year terms and then impose a lifetime ban on future service.

While there is a strong effort locally to gather the necessary signatures to qualify this measure, at the request of leadership of this local term limits movement, California Term Limits PAC has endorsed this effort and to assist materially to get this matter before the local voters.

CA Term Limits PAC has made a significant investment to deploy paid signature gatherers in the city of West Hollywood to augment the work being done by local volunteers, and help to ensure that the voters of the city will be able to vote on term limits for their city council this coming March.

“A primary goal of the California Term Limits PAC is to assist with local efforts to qualify and pass term limits at the local government level all around the state,” said Jon Fleischman, President of California Term Limits. ”West Hollywood is a classic example of where you have a small group of city insiders who have been serving on the council, in most cases, for decades. Term limits ensure citizen representatives instead of career politicians, and West Hollywood is a city that definitely needs them.”

“Ours is a quintessential grassroots effort made up of citizen volunteers committed to gathering enough signatures to put term limits on the March ballot here in West Hollywood,” said Sheila Lightfoot, a local leader in the WeHo term limits effort. “We think that after a period of time, elected officials should return to private life and others should have the opportunity to serve. We are so pleased that California Term Limits PAC has endorsed our initiative and is helping us by augmenting our efforts to gather registered voter signatures on our petitions in this final stretch toward our goal.”

“We’re grateful for the support of California Term Limits to help us qualify our initiative for the ballot in West Hollywood,” added another WeHo local term limits leader, Scott Schmidt. “Their support is a vote of confidence in our volunteer effort. California Term Limits understands that whether it is in West Hollywood or Sacramento, elected officials need an expiration date, or else they lose their focus and ambition and become too cozy with donors and lobbyists.”

“We already have deployed paid signature gatherers in West Hollywood who have already gathered hundreds of signatures and will collect many more in our efforts to assist local term limits activists in reaching their goal,” added Fleischman. A total of 2350 valid signatures of registered West Hollywood voters must be turned into the City Clerk by September 26, 2012. To ensure that enough valid signatures are turned in, it is the intention of the local West Hollywood Term Limits Committee to exceed that number by a significant amount.

If you are interested in helping with the grassroots effort to qualify term limits in West Hollywood, you can get involved by going to their website here: www.WeHoTermLimits.com. You can find out more about California Term Limits at www.CATermLimits org.

scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 03:24 AM
It's not a conspiracy on the part of the term limit folks to my knowledge. Most have solid progressive credentials. But you miss my point (how unusual) - 1) It's political malfeasance to be seen being associated with, perhaps even pawns, of a right-wing political movement - that's what they now are (at least associates) 2) Going to guess here that the CA for Term Limits group did the outreach - and once they get into WeHo politics, they won't back out. 3) Sure I'm concerned a bit about council candidates - but as I've said over and over, part of my opposition is to this is it could open the doors to far more referenda. Right wing groups with money would love to have an impact in our city, through Trojan Horse referenda. They are good at this stuff. Progressives, not so much. I do respect you though for responding. Every other of the numerous term ballot blogs has immediately gotten response. With this stunning news, crickets. And I totally understand. I think today saw both the end of the Romney campaign and any real chance term limits will win if it indeed makes the ballot. Why on the latter? This group will be rejected by WeHo voters, and they are now tied by the hip to the initiative.
me September 18, 2012 at 04:00 AM
are you kidding me???....i've heard of google, as i assume most people have, and i most certainly checked this group and it's founder out.....i can only speak for myself, as i don't represent anyone else.....the group donated money to hire petitioners so whats the big deal....trojan horse???....ABSURD!!!....absolute crazy talk from top to bottom.....i'm surprised you haven't suggested (yet) that they will take up arms, put up walls around weho's border and make us a police state.....you have QUITE the vivid imagination.....as for why others haven't responded yet, i can only guess: (a) they have a life and don't sit on the patch all day waiting for yur posts (b) you ware people down, and a firey response is exactly what you want.....your points, if any are valid, are lost in the length, fear and drama of yur posts
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 04:07 AM
Since you can't deal with the substance of my points, you construct an absurd alternative world that has nothing to do with what I wrote. Do you live in California? Have you seen how usually the referenda process is run by right-wing billionaires trying to foist their beliefs into governance since they can't win elections otherwise (how similar to the term limit movement!) Once the door is open for referenda here as an accepted thing, of course this group and similar are likely to take more advantage. That's the way they operate. You're far smarter than you sound in this post, Me. Why you are not horrified by being helped by leading Prop 8 opponents though still shocks me. But trust me, the voters in WeHo will certainly be, and because of this, the chances of it passing should it make the ballot just has gone way, way down. Note: No one else yet has piped in, so still otherwise crickets.
me September 18, 2012 at 04:17 AM
if as you say, you have nothing to worry about, so why go on??....and on.....and on....and on....and on???.....i'd actually love to know that you were doing more to defeat this than sitting on yur mighty throne, in yur mighty castle, on yur mighty laptop, spewing volumes of text.....so yes, it's a challenge, to put up or shut up....accept the challenge? ((((((((crickets, crickets)))))))
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 04:40 AM
Trust me, I will do more. If it makes the ballot, I've have already taken steps to make sure I become active. I believe in open democracy, oppose election rigging, want to defend my city from amateurs with petty personal grudges, and will do what I can to make sure the pro-democracy side wins.
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 04:44 AM
Why are you so angry and bitter me? Seriously? Your comments about me are pure projection.
me September 18, 2012 at 04:59 AM
haha...pot meet kettle....haha....good one!.....got a huge belly laugh on that one, so thanks for that.....g'nyte now ((((((((crickets, crickets))))))) hahaha
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 05:05 AM
Unfortunately, I'm not laughing. That your side would ally with people who were anti-prop 8 activists is far worse than anything I could ever imagine them doing. Though I have had my disagreements with your side, I never imagined they'd be this desperate or sink this low. The good thing is it is likely a fatal error.
Riley September 18, 2012 at 06:13 AM
@me, GGCB, why do you keep engaging this drivelling fool? He really is foolish. Thank our lucky stars he is all talk and no action. He makes ludacrous statements like he wants to defend his city from amateurs with petty grudges...meaning I assume that all 3000 people who sign the petition hold grudges against the current office holders. If no one responds to him he has no one to rail against...and even though he says to "trust" him that he will become active if term limits gets on the ballot, I will bet you dollars to donuts, the only way he will get involved is in a forum where no one knows who he is. Stop engaging and he will go away without the attention he so obvious craves. He even states "That your side would ally with people who were anti-prop 8 activists is far worse than anything I could ever imagine them doing.". I assume he does not realize that EVERYONE was anti Prop 8. No on Hate. He is a small, petty, little man with nothing better to do. His facts are wrong and he will never get up at a council meeting and state his opinions in a public forum. Press on with WEHO TERM LIMITS.
Marie Cunningham September 18, 2012 at 08:55 AM
Hello all, I had to delete a comment due to name calling. Please don't cuss at each other. It violates Patch's Terms of Use. You'll get a warning but repeat offenders will have their accounts suspended. Best, Marie
Marie Cunningham September 18, 2012 at 08:58 AM
...Make that two comments. Inflammatory speech in acronym form is also unacceptable. Please be kind to your neighbors.
tuffy1 September 18, 2012 at 02:48 PM
I learned of Fleischman's involvement yesterday. This was supposed to be a local, grass roots campaign. Now Jon Fleischman -a person whose politicas are far, far right of Reagan- President of the California Term Limits pac has been turned to, to provide paid signature gatherers. I certainly did not sign up for that. Why the desperation on the part of the weho group? We do have elections here. We voted in a new council member last year.
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Tuffy My concern is that this is part of a pattern, that the unbridled and irrational personal animus toward the council members leads the opposition to think their destruction makes any alliance, no matter how obviously offensive to West Hollywood residents, justifiable. It also parallels on a local level the brain-dead and tone-deaf antics of Mitt Romney, which apart from his views disqualifies him from office. I want neither people who will ally with outsiders like Fleischman to gain leadership in West Hollywood, nor people who are so politically inept to gain power. Both are frightening concepts. What this indicates, most likely, is panic. They weren't getting signatures close to what they needed, so they accepted help from an offensive source. But by getting outsiders, they likely increased the chances of ineligible voters signing, and of course have put an albatross around their necks that will haunt them if they do qualify. And justifiably so.
Rudolf Martin September 18, 2012 at 06:00 PM
reasonable term limits as proposed are a good idea for west hollywood and since they wouldn't kick in until 2025 and are not retroactive, they are not a 'power grab' and would only apply to future elected officials. the fact that now both conservatives and progressives support them does not affect my opinion on this in any way. i certainly have no 'animus' toward anyone on the council. bridled or unbridled, rational or irrational. this proposal should be on the ballot next election and will hopefully trigger a debate about how our city should be governed in the future, if we want to encourage more people to vote and how to better include resident participation.
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 06:17 PM
It is always good to have a reasonable opinion responding to mine, and for that I am grateful. I do think though it is a power grab - denying me and others our democratic rights to vote for good incumbents if we choose is taking power away from me. Going the referendum route, which so many of you seem to want, is a power grab away from representative government that, in my opinion, has worked quite well in West Hollywood. I do think it is incredibly naive that one of the most powerful right wing activist groups in now involved in West Hollywood politics - and I assume this is just a first step, and will be sub rosa since they know they if public aren't welcome - is some innocent joining of interests. You really should check out CA for Term Limits, Jon Fleischman, his very powerful blog (think RedState for California if you are familiar with national right wing blogs) before so blithely dismissing this as a concern. And again, distracting voters from current issues, perceived and/or real, for something that will not take effect until 6 elections from now and how that deals with current issues continues to allude me. It won't have anything to do with it.
me September 18, 2012 at 07:57 PM
oh, so wait a minute.....tuffy just happens to have come across the patch and this is their first comment.....me thinks "someone" {{{{{crickets, crickets)))))) has more than one computer and has various patch accounts.....jus sayin
me September 18, 2012 at 07:59 PM
how many ways can one person so the same thing?
Jon Ponder September 18, 2012 at 08:46 PM
If supporters of term limits allow a Republican-affiliated group to fund their efforts, their grass roots movement is at risk of being subsumed in a partisan fight.
michael September 18, 2012 at 09:43 PM
How sad to see some well intended , but all misguided supporters of term limits resort to such desperate tactics. This does not speak well for their cause.
Sheila Lightfoot September 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM
Since I’m so busy… you guessed it… working on the Term Limits Initiative, I’ll post my thoughts, then I’m back to work. No time to dwell on nonsense. Our Council elections are non-partisan. Most WeHo politics are non-partisan. On nearly every issue, you will find democrats and republicans working side-by-side on things that impact our quality of life. Can you point to a Council member who has never received a republican vote? Do you think I asked any of the multitude of WeHo residents who have worked so hard to gather signatures whether they were democrats or republicans? I find your attempt to split our residents into factions – democrats vs. republicans quite extreme. And, trying to throw in Prop 8 to add fuel to your fire is quite naïve since I’d guess a great number of our registered republicans are Log Cabin republicans. I’m a democrat and I criticize democratic Council members. Does that make me a puppet for right-wing conspirators? I work with republicans on City issues we agree on. Does that mean my values have been compromised? And let me remind you, Mayor Jeffrey Prang worked for 9 years as a Special Assistant to LA County Sheriff Lee Baca - a very well known republican – and the Sheriff’s department protects our streets. They have also endorsed each other. So the conspiracy you are trying to imply will take over our City must certainly be in place already in the person of Jeffrey Prang.
Sheila Lightfoot September 18, 2012 at 10:14 PM
As for me, I am just thrilled to have the endorsement and the support from CA Term Limits. I sought it and I welcome it wholeheartedly. In my world when people can work across the isle in common cause that’s a good thing. Your brand of “if someone is for it, you must be against it,” is not something I believe in. Regarding desperation, your unending, rambling attacks on WeHo Term Limits, CA Term Limits and Mr. Fleischman, personally, seem to show quite clearly who is desperate and in a state of panic. Has it suddenly occurred to you that we could possibly achieve our goal… that in such a short period of time, we might manage to give enough residents an opportunity to sign our petition? Finally, let me just say, I welcome your endless tirades, Scott. It keeps you busy while so many of us - democrats and republicans alike – are busy gathering signatures trying to do something positive for our City’s future. As you say, it will not effect us personally in the near future, but isn’t it pretty selfish not to want to do something for the future generations who will inhabit our City? You have not denigrated CA Term Limits so much as you’ve denigrated your fellow citizens who have put their blood, sweat and tears into this effort and also those citizens who have signed the petition.
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 11:23 PM
No, Sheila, with sincere respect, I think it is you who denigrading your fellow citizens by alligning yourselves with a right-wing Republican group from outside of West Hollywood who have a statewide agenda that is against the interests of WeHo and almost certainly have an agenda to further interfere with our politics. I appreciate that you took the time to respond, despite the fact that you misrepresent what I've said. I so resent the implication that I am not interested in future generations. My opposition to term limits and referenda are rooted in my deep concern for the future of this city. I accept you are deeply concerned. Your inability to recognize that I am every bit as much as you are is noted for the blindness in your perception that unfortunately is a hallmark it appears of those who complain about the current city. My passion here comes from loving WeHo, and my fear that your group is hellbent inadvertently in damaging it. Your alliance with CA for Term Limits is the most dangerous evidence yet. If you want to ally with people who fought Prop 8, it's your right. But you likely have set back your cause for many years.
scott ferguson September 18, 2012 at 11:28 PM
I'm so far behind Steve Martin in that regard that I'll never catch up. (BTW - just a guess, but are you Steve Martin? It's curious for all his/your blogs, he never posts under that name).
Stephanie September 19, 2012 at 12:24 AM
@ Sheila, I think we should all take Riley's advice from above and stop engaging S. Ferguson. When someone posts a line like this: "If you want to ally with people who fought Prop 8, it's your right. ," ... he obviously has no grip on accuracy. He seems not to know that progressives and human rights activists ALL fought Prop. 8. We fought against it like crazy...but by his comment we can see why it passed...he thought you should vote "Yes" if you were FOR equal rights, but, as we all know, he should have voted "No." I was willing to read his point of view, as he had some points to make, but his lack of accuracy makes me question everything he wrote. He is an armchair activist who thinks that repeating things ad nauseum will convince people he is right. Again, he appears to think that if he can keep people from signing the petition it will keep the measure off the ballot. That being said, I AM taking Riley's advice and will make no further comment in response to the "closet activist." He thinks Term Limits are wrong, plain and simple. We get it. When it is on the ballot in March, he will vote "No"...which is how he should have voted on Prop 8! He is just confused, poor dear.
scott ferguson September 19, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Stephanie There has been very little engagement with my posts, only with me personally. The reason I post so much is in the hope people will counter the I believe to be valid arguments. Most are ignored, usually because they hit home and strongly challenge the prevailing sentiment. Of course I assume all of you were against Prop 8. That's the reason that your term limits movie now seems to be allied and apparently aided by a group run by someone who was an activist against Prop 8 is so horrifying. If people who live in WeHo who were against Prop 8 are working with you, no big deal. When you bring outsiders best known for 100% backing anti-progressive and strongly partisan statewide far right wing activities in, that's a problem. I was naive. I figured most of you would be horrified. That you're not is extremely depressing, even though it likely damages your cause ultimately since it of course will end up being the main issue in any campaign should you get on the ballot.
scott ferguson September 19, 2012 at 01:05 AM
From Calitics, a progressive CA blog, about Jon Fleischman and his threats to judges who overruled Prop 8 - yes, this is the SAME Jon Fleischman called in to save the term limits signature effort: Threatening the judiciary threatens the foundations of democracy by: Brian Leubitz Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 14:52:12 PM PST This appeared in today's edition of Capitol Weekly. As we approach the decision on Prop 8, it is important that we remember the critical role of the judiciary. Back on Nov.12, Capitol Weekly published an opinion by the Flash Report's Jon Fleischman entitled "When considering Proposition 8, remember Rose Bird." His populist threat against a branch of government that is very intentionally designed to be counter-majoritarian deserves admiration for its moxie, if not its intellectual rigor. Mr. Fleischman's threat would be of little concern if it had been directed to the Governor or to a member of the Legislature. After all, the executive and legislative branches are supposed to be reflective of popular will. They are supposed to consider the will of their constituents when they make decisions. But by threatening judges, Mr. Fleischman attacks the important counter-majoritarian role that the judicial branch serves in our government. In so doing, he has attacked the foundations of our democracy and its delicately balanced separation of powers. People, wake up - you are figuratively lying down with the devil.
Jon Ponder September 19, 2012 at 01:39 AM
Ms. Lightfoot, you say you sought out funding from California Term Limits PAC. Has anyone in your organization checked to see if the PAC is funded by companies, corporate interest groups, organizations or individuals who do business with the city or who might have some other conflict of interest?
scott ferguson September 19, 2012 at 01:45 AM
This is extremely important. Right wing PACs like this often get funding from the Koch brothers and similar. I don't know if they have. But any WeHo political group with an ounce of sense would make damn sure their benefactors didn't include people who are the enemies of progressive causes. So yes, Jon, your question is crucial - where do they get their money? They must have a lot to be spending it in a small city's very parochial referendum.
scott ferguson September 19, 2012 at 01:50 AM
From CAfortermlimits website: Thank you for you interest in making a donation to California Term Limits. We are non-profit C4 corporation — donations to our organization are NOT tax-deductible. It is our practice, because of the number of politicians who dislike the mission of our organization, to keep the identity of our donors, large and small, confidential
scott ferguson September 19, 2012 at 01:52 AM
So they keep their donors secret. We do know that its head (who knows how many other people are actually involved) is a leading Orange Country Republican activist who would oppose virtually every progressive decision our city council makes, even those that nearly all of us would support. Very shady.


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